User talk:Gloom

Lovely!

You were more than welcome to post in my barrier change topic on overlord with your objections, but you didn't, so my idea went through. Shit happens, ect.

Cheers. Steel Reserve 11:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Steel. Way to kick 'em when they're ...somewhat bored and unchallenged. Very constructive.


 * Though it is odd. You put that as if I'm the only one who could've shot this down had I acted on it; as if I'd missed the chance to do so.
 * Because as we all know, there's absolutely no chance that this sort of thing can be reversed -- corrected, perhaps? -- if enough players suddenly decide "screw this" and start lobbying against all this pandering to the gormless fuckwits who desire nothing more complicated than hunting NPCs, hoarding items and then quickly retiring to their Trust barriers (to presumably wank the rest of the day away) right? Oh, Heaven forbid Guilds starting to employ "tactics" that actually make use of certain skills as opposed to "Our big Guild > your smaller Guild"


 * Anyway, your suggestion had already lost by a single vote in the poll, and was already being collectively tag-fucked to death by EVA, Hatama and many others from the very get-go. Then the second it miraculously got through, you locked the topic in order to quell any further criticism or debate. So forgive me for assuming that it's implementation is a farce, and that it was probably on a doomed collision course with that special fiery pit reserved for Ravex's weekly ouput, before you decided to save it by defaming certain elements of the player base and constructing a bunch of weak arguments based on worst-case scenarios.


 * Tl;dr: Steel posts irrelevant shit in Gloom's talk page in order to give his ego a good, hard stroke (unf! unf!) Gloom 22:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

In other words, everybody already said what you were thinking, so you saw no real reason to post anything further. Alright. That's sensible, perhaps. As for whether it will be reversed? It might, and if it does, I'll be there to re-state my points that "less griefing=more players playing longer", which is plus for the SW community, not a minus. More potential players means more potential for donations to the server that keeps SW running. I think it's fairly obvious that the sort of people who would pay hard-earned money to Mo are the sort of people who view any griefing in-game as a sign that their money was squandered (just my opinion, but I think I'm onto something).

I don't see how barrier-ing and looting of corpses foster equality between small guilds and large guilds. If anything, that griefing is something that favors large guilds, (since large guilds have more people, and thus, better oppurtunities to barrier a corpse), so your point is false.

And as for the claim that I locked the topic to prevent criticism of my idea? I locked the topic because as soon as Jedaz chimed in with his official approval of my idea, there was nothing further to debate. The point of the debate was to convince those with power in the game that my idea was a sensible one, and when Jedaz offered his approval, that sealed the deal. Jedaz is the one that decides how the game is run. We can influence him with our own POV, but in the end, he makes the final decision. When that happens, debate becomes somewhat irrelavant.

Also, I really don't need to stroke my own ego. You've done it for me. Thanks, old friend.

Cheers! Steel Reserve 23:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, the sheer fucking unadulterated joy! A wall of text reiterating the same shit.


 * First off, I'd just like to point out how much of a tremendously smarmy cunt you've become (I guess that "humble nice guy" facade of yours had to slip away eventually).
 * Secondly, "Hypothetical new players hypothetically donating their hard-earned hypothetical money, hypothetically do no want to be griefed by hypothetical malefactors who are out to hypothetically gank all the gear that Lippsyl probably gave them - for nothing. Hypothetical, hypothetical!" Can you cite any references; testimonies; provide virtually anything tangible to support this ongoing notion? And just who or what the fuck are these easily-deterred mythical creatures you envision as prospective donators anyway?
 * Thirdly, locking the thread at that point in the proceedings just smacked of smothering an uproar in order to bask in a hollow victory.
 * Finally, the Shakedown ability might be getting buffed soon. So, uh... I don't really give a fuck about this anymore.


 * In closing, I'd just like to say that as much you must love debating pointless shit over the internet --y'know, so long as your opposition is clearly investing a similar degree of seriousness and forethought into the topic at hand as you are-- I'm not a big fan. And as such; have decided to exercise my right to be as facetious (or just outright obnoxious) as I want to be, should you be dumb enough to try and keep this Fail-boat floating. Gloom 06:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

My decision to go ahead with my idea in the suggestion forum was based on two aspects: One, the private conversations I've had with SW players (both in-game and on overlord) who said that losing their gear in a trust barrier would deter them from playing (most of whom voted in that poll I put up), and two, the prospect that there were others like them who I hadn't talked to, but shared their opinions.

Now, if people would stop playing SW because of losing their items to another player, why the hell would they donate to Mo, either? Think of it like this: Players who are more satisfied with the game are more likely (not less likely) to donate and keep the game running, and that works to the benefit of people who don't donate.

And I am a nice guy, but only to people who are nice to me. You started off by insulting me and calling me "epic fail guy", so, I didn't feel especially compelled to be nice to you. Steel Reserve 01:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, now that that's settled; why don't you gb2/Hugbox, Mr Nice Guy? :3 Gloom 23:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd49/GloomySunday_UD/Forum/epic_nice_guy_hugbox.png


 * @Gloom- I found out long ago that logic and reasoning were things not taught to Steel Reserve by any of the institutions he went to. Instead of countering points, he prefers to go after their presentation; ie swearing, sarcasm, insults. Sorta like a die-hard supporter of a political party. Stick to the talking points, nothing else.


 * @Steel Reserve- I am not going to waste my time explaining to you why that idea was wrong and is still wrong.


 * And Gloom, what may be happening with the Shakedown ability? --EVA-251 [[image:macro.PNG]] 23:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

EVA, Jedaz is going to shorten the corpse item looting period to a little over two days. Steel Reserve 01:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Funny, Jedaz wasn't that specific about the time frame when I heard about it... wishful thinking, Steel?
 * (Thanks for rudely answering for me, by the way) Gloom 23:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I distinctly remember Jedaz saying over the SW broadcast that he was shortening the item-loot time to just over two days, after Oranchov said that he couldn't afford to vault his shit every day.

I should've taken a screenshot. Now I has no proof. IT'S THE TROOF, I SWEARZ! D= Steel Reserve 08:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)