User talk:The General/Archive3

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Whats with all the demotions? The Devil 13:39, 2 December 2006 (PST)
 * Removing excess power. Mad Mart has been inactive for ages. The others, I removed the checkuser status because it prevents them from giving away private information. Same principle with Morgana, she's been inactive for a while, and if someone hacked a bureaucrat account then they could do a lot of damage.-- 13:43, 2 December 2006 (PST)
 * Wasn't enough days for Morgs' demotion. The others are just being bumped from Checkuser, Sysop to Sysop, and I'm not sure if they'd actually care. I've reversed the demotion on Morgana just because she wasn't absent for what I'd consider a long enough time. 60 days seems right. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 15:39, 2 December 2006 (PST)
 * Hmmm, ok. It was just that she disappeared, and a buraucrat can do a lot of damage. Meh, it's your wiki.-- 03:19, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * I didn't disappear, there just wasn't much left to do. I checked in nearly daily. If you have specific items you would like me to attend to simply post them on my talk page. And I find it very curious you keep talking about someone hacking my account considering YOU'RE the only one who has my IP, and you still never explained why you check user'D me. -- 19:58, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * I wouldn't need your ip to hack you, if I wanted to.-- 02:40, 4 December 2006 (PST)
 * Actually The General is right. All someone has to do these days to get anothers password is get them to log onto their website (perhaps a forums?), and unless the person is careful enough to use different passwords for every account they have then its pretty easy.  And he checkuser'd you to make sure you weren't somebody else's alt in discuise trying for a 'crat position.  Everybody here has probably been checked at least once.  The Devil 20:34, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Gee, like his forums, which he insisted I join? Funny that. -- 20:59, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Don't worry, the password is encrypted on the server. I can't view passwords, I can only change them.-- 02:40, 4 December 2006 (PST)
 * I reinstated Mad Mart due to the fact that she was not yet inactive for 60 days either. I spoke to Mo before I did this and he approved. Considering that is Mo's rule it would probably be a good idea to heed it. A warning in the future may be nice as well.-- 12:10, 5 December 2006 (PST)

Excess power? Fair enough; I have no interest in policing IPs. But I would like to state that--whatever your motives--demoting a contributor without warning (or even notifying) the person is rude. Moderation is voluntary position, and has taken a backseat to my professional life lately as that is what helps pay my internet bills so that I -can- participate here. If you'd care to review my application for moderator, you'll see that my prime focus is on providing spelling and grammatical edits for contributed work. As most of the recently contributed work at the SW Wiki has been on personal and guild pages and -not- new gameplay and information, I respect that it isn't friendly or constructive of me to step on toes by nitpicking personal pages. In the future, if you have any concerns with my participation here I would appreciate the same courtesy from you. If you're going to demote me for providing the level of participation that I proposed, fine. But at least have the decency to tell me about it. Cheers. -- MaRt ModHaVoC 20:58, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * Hey! I'm going to have to defend him at this point now.  All he is doing is protecting the wiki.  Its not like he caused any lasting harm because you got you mod position right back.  To back myself up I will point over to the good ol' UD wiki.  The General was removing check user privs, totally justified, 2 months ago the check user log on UD was leaked.  And also, what if someone like say, me, or another vandal, got ahold of Morgana's wiki password, do you know how much damage could be done?  If I got xoid's password thats exacly what I would do on UD.  And its really not that hard to get someones password if they aren't careful, just recently someone hacked akkittia's account and took all his gold.  These are all just safty precausions.  Stale2000 T&bull;W.o.O 21:19, 5 December 2006 (PST)

Yes, thank you, I understood that much from his post. But if you'd like actually to read mine, my bigger complaint is that he didn't tell me. If you'd like to clarify how that falls into the category of 'protecting the wiki', I'd appreciate it.-- MaRt ModHaVoC 21:37, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * What is it that hard to check the recent changes every now and then? Its not like you cannot just ask to be repromoted again.  Stale2000 T&bull;W.o.O 21:40, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * Would it be the same as removing your editing privileges? It's not that hard to check the recent changes every now and then and it's not like you can't ask to get them reinstated again. - 21:44, 5 December 2006 (PST)

You're both missing the point entirely. It's not about the inconvenience. It's about courtesy. All I'm saying is, it's not hard to put a message in my discussion page that says, "We R protektink teh weeky!" But if you don't get it, you don't get it. And it would appear that I'm a minority in my considerate treatment of others, and that certainly makes me disappointed in this community. I'm sorry for you, and I'm leaving this discussion at that.-- MaRt ModHaVoC 21:55, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * I didn't miss it, I just used a bad analogy. Eh, I always have a way with writen words, usually in a bad way. I guess what I wanted for my analogy was that it's like when someone borrows something and doesn't tell you that they did. Oh well, sorry for not communicating clearly enough. =\ - 22:09, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * I think MaRt's point is pretty clear. She never should have been demoted to begin with, and a notice would have been the mature way to handle it. End of story. All this other crap and people like Stale getting involved is really unnecessary. Her post was to General asking for clarification as was within her rights to do so. It was an unjust demotion that has been rectified, so moving on! -- 22:46, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * And on that note... I wonder what this is for?

-- MaRt ModHaVoC 22:50, 5 December 2006 (PST)
 * Notifying that you were absent. I demoted you because you were away for around 2 months, without a single edit.-- 00:15, 6 December 2006 (PST)
 * But she was only away for about 40 days, far from Mo's 60 day limit. Saber HaVoC 06:39, 6 December 2006 (PST)
 * I was not notified of that, last time I check we were discussion a 30-60 day limit. Anyway, you can hardly say that she had much merit as a mod if she couldn't find time to edit for 2 months.-- 10:25, 6 December 2006 (PST)
 * So she's a bad mod just because she has real-life to attend to and doesn't spend her life on the internet? Seems a bit hypocritical coming from someone who hardly spends any time in-game. Saber HaVoC 12:21, 6 December 2006 (PST)
 * No, but following that arguement, we should never demote a moderator because they'd all be "busy". Even I spend more time in-game then she does on the wiki. Now, stop with the personal attacks, shall we?-- 13:13, 6 December 2006 (PST)
 * Alright, guys, stop the bickering. I can certainly see both sides of this here. Both are reasonable arguments. So I'm going to end this with a NPOV judgement. General, please get some approval, or at least notification of your itent and reasons, before you do that sort of thing, that clears everything up. Everyone else, don't attack General, it was a mistake, but an honest mistake. If someone notices their mistake and explains the reason, then you shouldn't attack them, they weren't trying to do anything wrong. -- 15:29, 7 December 2006 (PST)

Just wanted to know
Three things

1. How did your Misconduct case turn out? 2. Does everyone at UD still think I'm making alts? 3. What's happening? -- 08:55, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * It went well for him but now people are trying to pass policies so that a Buearacrat can start a referendom against a mod so that people vote whether or not that mod get demoted. And you are out of the mix and forgotton now, if anything they think its me since I'm pretty much knee-deep involved.  The Devil 10:03, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Hehe, yeah, 3page didn't manage to make me banned. No, they don't think you're still making alts. Terminator 484 thinks I hacked his site, apart from that, i'm not sure.-- 12:16, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Cool. Well, one day that policy will cause them to turn on each other. Now, who would win: Samus Aran or Master Chief?-- 12:43, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Well of course I didn't get you banned. Whats the fun in that, without accomplishing anything (its also counterproductive).  Now I get to standby and watch something like that mod demotions policy pass.  Now the wiki all goes to hell, if its not there already.  The best circumstance for me right now is people to continue to think that you are guilty but to not be able to do a thing about it (so I did not give proof), thus they pass more and more riduculous policies to use on the battlefield.  Ones that I will eventually be able to use against them.  So actually I truly hope that your are NOT banned.  lol.  The Devil 15:03, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Hey, if I stayed around then this policy would probably have been passed. It's not much different to this policy except that one actually gets a general census before de-modding and doesn't have any banning of any sort. - 16:08, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Still cannot see UD wiki...
 * Still forgetting to sign...-- 17:28, 3 December 2006 (PST)
 * Hmmm, wierd. Try a (cue flaming spam from wiki mods) proxy. Sometimes there are bugs like that, and routing through another country sometimes solves them.-- 06:27, 4 December 2006 (PST)
 * I tried that with every proxy site I could find (a lot). I think it's my connection that's messed up. -- 13:53, 4 December 2006 (PST)

Xolah's signature
Hey, I saw your comment in recent changes. I suggest you go onto his talk page and ask him to change his signature if you don't want it to bold the timestamp rather than changing it without getting permission. All he has to do is change it from this

to this

the only reason the time stamp was bold was because it had an unballanced lot of three apostrophes. - JedazΣT ΞD 17:52, 7 December 2006 (PST)
 * Ah, I see, thanks. And the reason i'm changing it is that i'm pretty sure that it wasn't meant to be bold.-- 05:39, 8 December 2006 (PST)

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Why do you have a log out trap on your user page disguised as a new message notification?=- 03:15, 19 December 2006 (PST)
 * Because i'm an evil bastard :P Anyway, i'm sure you won't do the same thing twice :P.-- 03:18, 19 December 2006 (PST)