User talk:Karlsbad

Wow. Nice page. Of all the people over there that I pegged as people who would cast dispersions on a person and a community without cause, I didn't peg you for one. What does it say when the Scroll Wars community is positive and tame until a couple UD Mods come over? As far as I know, I was always here. O_o -- &spades; Mo mod 20:59, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Where exactly does that come from? I've only truly said two things; I put in something so that the name wouldn't be red, asked to be banned, and told you that "the bicycle thing" was not only distasteful and crude at first but then also petulant and discrediting.  Or maybe I'm doing exactly what you say you are observing, simply by my oh-so unfriendly presence.  It is your world and whatever you see in it; in wiki, in game, in spirit- I'll either be banned or not, but the name "Karlsbad" will be mine alone.  As a side-note; I'm playing Nexus War now (which I'm lucky to have joined at the right time), and I expect UD to continue dying and the wiki with it; the Suggestions Page is full of gibbering monkeys and the Groups Pages are pointless.  The only thing I'm trying to keep alive is the Suburb page, which is actually useful if people don't lie- which makes it a bitch to work with.  And when that goes, it'll be truly a bastard cross between a chat-room and a forum with a few people attempting to make it crappy for everyone else.  --Karlsbad 22:41, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * I took your userpage text to refer to this 'place' specifically. Am I wrong? If not, I really said all I need to... that judging this place - and by extension the community - based on the fact that it's co-run by someone persicuted within an inch of sanity by a gaggle of goofballs... is a really putrid judement to make. -- &spades; Mo mod 23:04, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * And no, you won't be banned. I'm not really sure about the Cyberbob banning, but he clearly wasn't going to contribute here - and most likely has never even logged onto the game - so I fail to see the harm in removing a virulent personality with no intent to stay. I see a lot of clucking at The General about it on the UD Wiki, but really if they cared, they'd file a misconduct case here. Ha. I think we can all agree that they don't really. You know what's truly discrediting? The fact that you're here scolding me when you never lifted a digital finger about this, which is what the Bike post was referencing. I tried to get a light on the type of language and defamation being allowed on the UD Wiki, and got banned. Forgive me if I don't accept your petty scorn and take it to heart. I know what I did, and I know what you didn't. -- &spades; Mo mod 23:07, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Why would I lift any fingers at all? Your beard is, was, and still can be an entertaining trope.  However, using language and terms that would get you kicked out of the Marines is not, especially when it contained NO REFERENCE to a beard at all!  I mean, you could have at least made it less lame, but you refused: Only your whinging afterwards that somehow it was related in ANY WAY connected the two.  Refusing to realize the difference between the action and your reaction shows a lack of maturity and vision.  And even if you had actually put a "light on it" does not mean that anyone would care- you can fight your own battles.  However, look at what my own action was concerning "bicycles": I put up a deletion report for the section of your user page containing it, and it would have been gone in two weeks.  Anyone who felt like doing the same to other sections (i.e. you) could have done so when concerning your beard and its foliage, because it is a classic Crit 1.  But what would I owe you to do that myself?  Especially considering that the figure they reference does not even contain enough respect for themself to ignore the tripe and strike at the real issue- that you were made into the easiest target simply by responding.  Honestly, you should ignore what I say as well- my presence only serves as a distraction at best.  My purpose, as I stated just before, was to squat on the name "Karlsbad".  There is only one arguement you have at all- that somehow it is my problem that you are insulted, and it discredits me to not care when you are made fun of: to that I say Please, I am not your parent.  Nor am I worth the time asking if I would become your father-figure.  Ban me and grow up, because I promise that I'll never stray beyond talk pages on this wiki: a self-impossed cage much like your own at the end of your "tenure".  You can argue that I should have cared what happened to you, but I don't.  You can argue that that makes me a terrible person, but your opinion won't effect me.  You could turn this into a diatribe at the unfairness of others, but you earned every slight and insult both here and there, word-for-word.  And anyone who wasn't there isn't actually listening to your arguement, they are agreeing with the figure in power. Enjoy your own world.  --Karlsbad 11:50, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * If you think my post was any different than what Scinfaxi and pals said, you're an idiot. If not, you're just a liar. Your level of immaturity is startling, given what I would have regarded as a good track record of making sense. I guess I have nothing more to say to you. Enjoy Nexus War and goodbye. Enjoy living in the world created for you by others. -- &spades; Mo mod 15:37, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * You are getting your goons mixed up- I never said I had any respect for Scinfaxi or Jjames or any of the Gankbus. I only said that I lost respect for YOU when you decided that you'd let yourself descended to their level and worse (I say worse because it wasn't funny, just crude).  So no, what you did wasn't shocking to me, but that fact that you did it was.  Funny that.  Remember, you didn't get banned for this loss of respect (you got year-banned because there were 6 warnings against you) and you weren't punished for this loss of respect.  I put up the deletion request around the "Bycycle thing" because I hoped that you'd back down and finally stop letting those trolls get to you, but instead you tried to fight it (like you always do) and entertained those twat-hounds even more.  --Karlsbad 17:07, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Firstly, I don't think you fully understand the "bike" post I made. In either form. If you think that you not finding it funny means anything, you're mistaken. It was to spotlight the vile behavior that was being allowed against me. In no way was it genuine at all. Mouse over the text and you'll see the tooltip says "It is a far, far better thing I do now..." which means I was risking my neck for the common good of stopping malicious, vile behavior that was being allowed by you and the rest of the Moderators. I was willing to face due process for it. You will note that due process was not followed, and I was banned under no existing rule whatsoever. I was, in effect, banned for being unpopular. If others can do what I did and not get banned, then it's bias pure and simple. If you disagree with that, then you truly have become lost in the double speak and double standards that have saturated that place. You can't justify why I was banned for what others did in any way - while remaining honest in the eyes of any objective viewer. I did nothing to vandalize the wiki or accost others, (remember, it was me that they were following from page to page, not the other way around) but you didn't like me for past slights so I was the one to be struck. Meanwhile the real trolls are still antagonizing you and the rest of the comminity with REAL bad faith and REAL obscenity that you all but ignore. I defy you to explain why I was banned. Obscenity? Nope, there's lots of that. Arbitration violation? Nope, there was nothing in any arb ruling that covered my post. Vandalism? Nope, I've never vandalized anything. Ever. All my warnings came from technicalities. Arb violation mistakes made while not thinking enough to recall it, making too many vandalism reports when my work was continually vandalized, etc. You will not be able to bring back any defacing of any material perpitrated by myself. In fact you cannot justify the ban at all without totally ignoring or accepting that others do the exact same and are not punished. You guys tried to remove the target, hoping the shooters would stop firing. Good luck with that.
 * Secondly, I doubt my post was "worse". Scinfaxi talking about semen on people's faces. jjames talking about people's c**ts bleeding all over the place. The lot of them talking about CDF members being pedophiles who were raping children in the group. You're a total balls-out liar when saying my text was "worse" in any way. It mimiced their text, concentrated in one 'story'. You know it. I know it. Anyone who has read up knows it. It looks like you're trying to fool the few who are only listening to your words.
 * Thirdly, you know as well as I do that the Vandal Data was "cooked" to get a year ban. I had warnings from BEFORE the current system, back when they were given to me AND the other party involved in the drama. Warnings were issued in leu of bans due to the personal calls of the old Moderators. Mostly concerning edits to the CDF page by a single person who kept on. My past bans were "adjusted" in order to facilitate a year ban. I forget exactly which Mod it was, but they went back and changed all the old warnings to bans to make it look like I had been progressively banned. The "Six warnings" was a reworking of the data after the fact, calling upon VERY old warnings that predated the current systems. It's so rediculous.
 * Fourthly, you prove my point. You wanted me to back down and "not let the trolls get to me". With all due respect, Screw that. Again - You know as well as I do - that they were interested only in destroying my group and getting me banned from the Wiki. You SAW them following me around the wiki. You SAW them calling me a pedophile. You SAW them writing these quirky little innocent stories (in detail) about me and other members of my group in intimate relationships. Thank you for proving my point. You're highly biased. I should back down and let the trolls roll over me, DESTROY my usage of the site, and DESTROY my group because I should be the better person. Right. That's the biggest travesty in this entire drama-bomb crapfest. Those trolls? Oh, trolls will be trolls! What can you do? But me... I have to accept the title of pedophile rapist whenever they want to sling it because I should be the better man.
 * Guess what? I was the better man, and still am. If trying to stop a bunch of trolls from smearing you by trying to get the Moderators to stop obscene harassment is some great crime, then I deserved the ban.
 * That I will wear like a badge. Amazing - Banned from the Urban Dead wiki for trying to make it a safer place for everyone.
 * It's just a shame that the tactic you guys resorted to was SO low and SO dirty that none of you would do it, and instead called in LibrarianBrent from obscurity to enact the ban. Afterward, he of course returned to said obscurity, nigh invulnerable to any sort of reprocussion or reversal. -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 18:42, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Note: In the above novel-of-a-rant, the term "you" is sometimes used to refer to the UD Wiki Moderator team in general. -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 18:45, 9 October 2006 (PDT:)
 * I'm glad I wasn't a mod back then... 23:25, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
 * True, though you did initiate Wikigate. -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 23:31, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Damn! I wondered how long it would take for you to realise who hacked your account! 23:33, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Nice try, but it was at your insistence. I hadn't considered it until you came by like "Hey, old buddy old pal! Check this out!!" and suggested starting an Arb case against the trolls. (One case which was split into many by Odd Starter, not me.) It's all past history. Took six months for you to go from a Pro-Amazing rebel to a Mod going to other websites looking for dirt on people you don't like. Took me a little less time to realize the Urban Dead Wiki is just mass mental illness. -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 23:41, 9 October 2006 (PDT)
 * 'Twas your choice alone to start it, doncha know. Don't try to pin your mistakes on me. 00:54, 10 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Ditto on the second part, Judas. ;) -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 09:54, 10 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Er... yes, that's right. I pin my mistakes on you all the time. You got me. 23:42, 10 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Glad we agree. -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 10:23, 11 October 2006 (PDT)