User talk:The General/Archive

Welcome
Hey, welcome to the game. It's rather new and still in very early Alpha, but I look forward to your feedback. Let me know what you think, good or bad. Especially bad. I've just started a discussion in the "Suggestions" message board concerning weapon statistics. -- Motorhed 16:46, 4 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I'll take a look.-- 14:22, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

Wow
You've been busy. O_O Thanks!! -- Motorhed 20:14, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

Hey there. Check out Promotions and let me know what you think. I'd like to rig this up for other games' wikis as well as other methods of advertising. (Example: Special item for creating a fan website, etc.) Items won't be anything that will make the game uneven or give new players any power over others. It's not really "public" yet, as the only way to find it would be checking recent changes or this page. Got any ideas for a Nexus item? (Special towel perhaps. heh) -- Motorhed 14:31, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I'll think about it. I'm just going to create that template as a proper template on the Urbandead wiki.-- 14:35, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

Don't believe the lies
...Adding namespaces is quick and easy! (heh) We now have Moderation: as a namespace and we can move things over whenever. -- 17:40, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

Whooooooops.
Sorry you got banned from the UD Wiki for being a moderator here. :( Hopefully they'll forget soon. -- 17:52, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Proof that the UDwiki is insane. -Koryr 20:21, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Yeah, luckily it's only a 48 hour ban. I've pretty much left the UDwiki anyway.-- 23:48, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

Sig
How do I get it so that everytime I type ~ it types my sig? -Koryr 11:03, 9 July 2006 (PDT)
 * If you meant having it bring up your sig template then go to preferences, and in "Nickname" put the template call and tick "enable raw sigantures".-- 11:08, 9 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Got it, thanks. Oh by the way, how do I request Arbitration between me and LordTunnel? - 17:01, 9 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Go to the arbitration page and make an arbitration request under the heading of "Koryr vs LordTunnel".-- 00:15, 10 July 2006 (PDT)

Escaping Quotes
This may be due to a proxy which is altering the text submitted, adding the slashes. -- &hearts; Mo 16:19, 16 July 2006 (PDT)
 * We should probably ban people from using proxies that do that, i'm not going to go round fixing every single page he edits.-- The General Mod 23:40, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

uber fish
how do you like my uber fish? cool adision to the bestery lol.
 * Nice, but it's not actually implemented in the game though.-- 15:11, 22 July 2006 (PDT)
 * You misspelled ϋber. (I take German) -- 08:29, 5 November 2006 (PST)

Uber Fish


Hp: 95... billion, impossible to kill Exp Given: 1... hudred trillion, if you ever did any damage to it you would instantly go to max level. Coins dropped: enough gold, if melted down, would make a small moon Damage: it 1 hit kills Mo... Resistances: Would survive, without a scratch, against a weapon 100 times as powerful as the banhammer

This is a silver fish with blue fins towers 500 feet above the ground. These can be found in almost any body of water that could hold such a massive creature. It pwns.

Actual Talk
Was anyone actually linking to the pages you've created with redirects? -- Random Letters 03:59, 29 August 2006 (PDT)
 * One of them, yes. Anyway, they're usefull.-- 04:27, 29 August 2006 (PDT)

Guide!
Hey, I made a fast XP guide and I wanted to see what your thoughts were about it. I would appreciate feedback about what you think about it. Feel free to correct any spelling or grammar mistakes I may have made while making the guide. - Jedaz 05:37, 5 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Ok, i'll take a look.-- 08:14, 5 September 2006 (PDT)

Modstuff
What are your thoughts on removing inactive Moderators? Say after 90 days of no edits? They can always re-apply for Modship if they some day return. -- &spades; Mo mod 23:01, 12 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Yeah, sounds good. But i'd go for more like 30 days, unless they've already warned us that they're going to be inactive.-- 00:06, 13 September 2006 (PDT)
 * What about 60? lol. I just want to allow for someone who loses their internet subscription or has a car wreck, etc. They can always re-apply later, though, so I guess it's no big deal. -- &spades; Mo mod 18:38, 13 September 2006 (PDT)

History
Just a quick FYI. In installing the new "Delete old revisions" extension, I seem to have buggered up past history for pages. The extension isn't working (might be the wrong version of Mediawiki) but I do have the back-up file. I can't import the file now (it might overwrite the history we have going now...) but it exists should you or any mod need any information. I'll probably uninstall the Old Revisions extension, but... uh... don't touch it until then just in case... lol -- &spades; Mo mod 16:20, 18 September 2006 (PDT)
 * How is the extension suposed to work? I can't see any options for it.-- 00:11, 19 September 2006 (PDT)

Well there we go
Well I'm done with the Urban Dead Wiki now. It feels so good to be freed from it. - 01:00, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * But obviously they don't respect the "sacredness" of user pages. They deleted one of my user pages :( - 01:21, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * They deleted one of your user pages? Where? Anyway, as you have probably noticed, you are now a moderator here.-- 02:39, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Yeah they did, heres the link. Yeah I noticed I was a moderator here, thanks. I'm not going to do anything about the deleted page because I can kinda see why they did that. But I'm annoyed that they didn't ask me before I left if it was ok. Oh well, those are the breaks. - 02:43, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Well, i'm not going to kick up a fuss either, mainly because it won't achieve anything.-- 02:46, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Yeah I know, it's not worth it. Plus I've retired from it. I decided to be different and make my very own moderation page to go out =P - 02:50, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Actually I change my mind, I'm going to get it restored and then have them ask me to have it removed. I think thats the least they can do considering that it is my user page after all. A little bit of curtesy goes a long way in this world and I don't think it's too hard to show that. - 06:14, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * When you're free of the UD Wiki, it's almost like realizing there was a meadow of flowers outside your prison cell and the door was unlocked all along. Come skip with us! See? You can't say stuff like that on the UD Wiki without being called all sorts of homophobic slurs. Or something. O_o -- &spades; Mo mod 15:33, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Ha, thats so true, but then again no one would dare to try that against you here because you are the "all powerful creator of the game". - 01:57, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

Curious
Just wondering what was up with the Cyberbob ban. I have no doubt he would've done the same - which is kind of my point. Was it just for being the dick that he is, or did I miss something? Either way I don't see a problem, since he made it clear he did not wish to stick around. Had he wanted to actually be here and contribute that'd be different. -- &spades; Mo mod 15:33, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * It was simply for being the dick he is.-- 02:28, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * I like the way you work Tordeck 23:58, 26 September 2006 (PDT)
 * You two are a perfect match for each other. And I mean that in both interpretations. 04:57, 28 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Looks like preschool let out early. Hi again, Bob3. Please take your giant dumps in the UD Toilet and not here. -- &spades; Mo mod 12:17, 28 September 2006 (PDT)

Please sir?
Could I be banned as well? I have no plans to contribute and would rather gar-run-tee that this name is never used by anyone else. Thankyou, --Karlsbad 19:38, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Yes you could be, its Mo's wiki, he can do whatever he wants with it. The Devil 21:08, 19 September 2006 (PDT)
 * If you really want to be banned, then yeah. But i'm not going to ban you of my own accord.-- 00:15, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

Bringing to your attention...
I'm just letting you know that a misconduct case on the UD wiki has been brought fourth against you, just letting you know if you didn't already. - 07:06, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Thanks, I hadn't seen it.-- 07:57, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Oh, and let me know if you are still banned through my UD talk page if you are, since you haven't come back and said anything I'm not sure if it worked or not. Well thats it from me for now. - 07:07, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * What do you mean "banned through your UD talk page"?-- 07:57, 20 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Unh, don't worry. I worded that badly. I just didn't know if the 1 minute banning worked so I was asking you to tell me through my UD talk page if you were still banned. But obviously not so you can ignore that. - 00:29, 21 September 2006 (PDT)

CheckUser
I've set CheckUser for Bureaucrats only. I'll test adding someone to the Checkuser group later tonight to see if they can then use it, etc. -- &spades; Mo mod 10:39, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

Vote of Confidence
Hey, I saw this. Would you like a hand with it (like generating ideas and what not)? I'm assuming that it's for users to request the demotion of a moderator. Well the offers there if you want it, just let me know. - 06:34, 24 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Yeah, that would be great.-- 13:28, 24 September 2006 (PDT)
 * There we go, I've done a bit of work on it. What do you think about that? - 19:02, 24 September 2006 (PDT)
 * DOn't you think there should be some sort of time limit between each vote per moderator? Like say 2-4 weeks or so?  The Devil 20:27, 24 September 2006 (PDT)
 * My two cents? 30 or 60 days. -- &spades; Mo mod 21:12, 24 September 2006 (PDT)
 * Good point, I'll go and add something like that in there, just give me a little bit... - 21:21, 24 September 2006 (PDT)
 * And there we go, I made it one of the dot points. - 21:30, 24 September 2006 (PDT)

I whipped this up as a sort of reminder to idle moderators. Can be used for people who disappear as well.

Might not be 'official' enough to notify a moderator that they've been absent for too long. Hmm. -- &spades; Mo mod 23:08, 29 September 2006 (PDT)

The UD wiki
I've noticed a few things have changed since last time I was there. Especialy to do with the Vandal Banning System. Ironically I said "I know that if most of the moderators had a chance they would ban me instantly so I'm going to be good so that doesn't happen", well it looks like Xoid didn't even need me to do anything, he conviniently skipped over that part. *Sigh* oh well you get that. - 17:18, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I hate to say "I told you so for months on end until I was banned for no reason", but... I told you so for months on end until I was banned for no reason. Heh. Sorry, couldn't resist. I can't believe those Nazi assholes did this. Well... specifically Nazi asshole Xoid. The worst thing is that the community is so beaten down and threatened by the Moderators and their repeated transgressions that no one will probably speak up. They'll be verbally assaulted by Bob3 (Cyberbob) and probably banned for sneezing while using the wiki, thusly subjecting the whole community to cold germs. -- &spades; Mo mod 17:32, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I was unclear above. In saying I said something before, I wasn't referring to the fact you'd be banned, but the fact that the Mods were running out of control and slowly strangling the wiki in an effort to do whatever they felt whenever the felt. -- &spades; Mo mod 17:56, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Not all mods are bad :( If you started counting them it wouldnt fill a single hand. --hagnat 21:07, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * True true but the bad ones happen to be 'crats (well I guess bobhammer is okayish since he is inactive). The Devil 21:56, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Active bad moderators. Let's see.
 * Cyberbob240 - "You disagree with me?? You @#$#ING @#$@ $@#$%% !@#@HOLE I WILL SEE YOU BURN!!!"
 * Bob Hammero - "A case against someone I like? Overturned."
 * Xoid - "Let's see... How can I find some shred of reason to justify what I want to do?"
 * Karlsbad - "Don't forget me! Everyone, look! I can be nasty and abuse the system too! Guys? ... Hello?"
 * Well, I guess you're right. I have a thumb left on that hand unaccounted for! lol. Now, I'm leaving out the bad moderators who are simply bad because they never speak up and are content to just have their powers without and responsibility, and I'm also leaving out the inactive... otherwise I'd have a field day there. lol -- &spades; Mo mod 22:10, 4 October 2006 (PDT)


 * Well I'm going to ask someone to file a misconduct report for me, I'll write it up of course. Actually it looks like someone already has made one. But theres some quotes from Xoid that I want posted there. Hmm... I might do a write up and if one of you could post it then it'ld be great.

Xoid broke the rules and perma-banned me for no act of vandalism. Xoid let his hate and dislike towards me get involved in his moderation duties thus leading to the ban. He conviniently left out many of my statements stating that I did not plan to vandalise such as "I know that if most of the moderators had a chance they would ban me instantly so I'm going to be good so that doesn't happen". The vandalism report can be seen here

Xoid's first piece of evidence was a quote of me saying "Actually Cyberbob, I was E-mailing him a tool that allows you to change proxies quickly. I wanted him to test it out and see if I programed it correctly". A tool of which, if I'm not mistaken, can be quite easily found anywhere on the internet. I did not view this as a potential danger because this style of tool can be easily found so it wouldn't have mattered if I supplied it or not.

The second quote that Xoid had from me was "It seems life a few of the mods have had a bit of fun on the UD wiki with you and Gold Blade". I never knew for sure if Gold Blade was vandalizing or not, but I just assumed that it was considering the proximity of him asking about proxys and the actual vandalism.

In the third section of the vandalism report Xoid shows my "plan". However I explained it to him so he knew about the posibilitys as seen here, I also commented about the new policy which would stop that posibility. The extent of Xoids dislike for me can be seen on the speedy deletions page here where he removes one of my user pages only minutes after I decide I might try and leave the Urban Dead wiki. Xoid also commented that "People have been banned for less than that and no one has batted an eyelid, you could argue a technicality but you can't be held accountable if your colleagues won't hold you to it" from here. He obviously belives that he can pick on anyone he doesn't like if they arn't popular.

The last point is that I did not commit one single act of vandalism, ever. I never made a bad faith edit. As you can see Xoid let his general dislike for me get in the way of being objective. I ask that these following people don't rule on this case as I know that they are clearly bias towards me in some way or another. These people are Cyberbob, Bob Hammero, or The General. I would also like to note how many times Xoid actually mistquoted me as well during the case (for example I said "like" instead of "life" in the second quote). This probably would be because he wasn't thinking clearly at the time. I ask that Xoid to be stipped of his powers, or at the minimum to serve a ban for as long as I have endured as he is obviously unfit for the current position. - 22:13, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Believe it or not, the first time I asked for proxies was for Newgrounds, which has a 2 flash posted a day rule, and they check IP adresses.
 * So if someone could post that up exactly as it is (my sig will work fine over there) onto the UD wiki for me then I'ld really appreciate it. Thanks. Oh, and General, the reason that I'm asking you not to rule on the case is because they would quite happily say that you were biased in favor of me so I feel that someone more nutural would be better. And don't worry about putting my name on that UD policy about the signitures, I'm over it now =P - 22:13, 4 October 2006 (PDT)


 * So Karlsbad and Conndraka (now officially a bad Moderator) dismissed the case right away. The system has been broken for as long as I can recall, and not fixing it is in the interests of the Mod team. <_< -- &spades; Mo mod 22:30, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Yeah I noticed. It's no good, I might go and post this from Uni tomorrow and see if I can get some good mods. The ironic thing is that I'm half tempted to get some sweet sweet revenge on them, but I'll see what happens when I make my case. If they un-ban me and demote Xoid then I'll be happy. But I doubt Bob Hammero or Kevan would demote Xoid =( - 22:37, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I feel sorry for The General for spamming up his talk page. Heh. ANYWAY, yeah man, don't hold your breath on anything coming out your way. Welcome to the other side. :\ The "you're always wrong" side. We folks over on this side can't ever seem to get through to those mods, nor can we get anything done. Worse yet, it sometimes seems as if the other citizens who might plead our case simply avert their eyes and walk by. Heh! -- &spades; Mo mod 22:49, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * He, thanks. Well I hope that I can get unbanned at the least, but I think it might be a bit of a stretch to even get that :\. - 23:03, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * If I might play psychic for a moment, if you DO get unbanned, they will reban you immediately before you even KNOW you were unbanned - citing some new violation they've cooked up. That's a nice little trick in their bag of wtf. -- &spades; Mo mod 23:09, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Ha, thats so true. Well they tried to pin something which wasn't me before kinda, it's right here. So I'ld have to say your psychic prediction would probably be right. I only narrowly avoided it by stating that having technical knowlege wasn't vandalism. - 23:19, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Ah ha, I've got a plan! Which I'm sure will piss Xoid off royaly (and Cyberbob =P) I'm thinking of one of two things that I can do. The first one is to post this misconduct case that I have writen up and I'ld have to add in "Moderators may only ban users who consistently vandalise wiki pages" from the guidelines. The second is to produce a petition to reverse my ban and say that it's allowable because "It is, however, expected that a Moderator ban those who clearly act against the community's wishes, and be prepared to reverse a ban should the community desire it". I might be able to pull this off... The good thing is that Xoid isn't on early but I just need people to support me... which I hope won't be too hard. And whoever Honorary mem is, thanks for sticking up for me, I really appreciate it. - 23:36, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Heh. He just got banned for defending you guys. -- &spades; Mo mod 23:42, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I noticed =| - 23:51, 4 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Anytime Jedaz, (yes xoid it was me, but I don't care that you know because I was banned already) The Devil 09:38, 5 October 2006 (PDT)

Instead of looking at the bad mods, lets look at the good ones. Optimisim is good. Also, you notice that most of the good mods don't really even aknowledge that they're mods, they just act like normal people until the situation requires them to use their moderator status? Here's my list of the good ones: The bad list (Descending in crappiness, least at top.):
 * Brizith - Nice guy, uses his modship to improve the wiki, not just remove the bad stuff (yes, there is a difference)
 * Darth Sensitive - Level headed and open minded. Very good qualities.
 * Jedaz - While he was a mod, he was able to see both sides of it, and come to a fair conclusion.
 * You - You really tried to make everything better.
 * Kevan - Yes, believe it or not, Kevan is on here. His letting the UD Wiki turn into a hell-hole shows that he lacks responsibility.
 * BobHammero - Thick. So thick that he can't understand that there is such a think as misinterpritation.
 * Xoid - I am not counting his banning me on this. It's just that he presses his image onto everyone he meets. "Xoid"

- Keep your nose clean and you can stay. Well, he shows that you have to prove that you are doing things right, not that they have to prove you did something wrong. I left a good few out. Thats cause A) I havent seen too much of them, or B) They are more or less neutral. -- 20:43, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Cyberbob240 - Troll, drama activist, and mostly, this concept of self superiority. Then he blames this mass drama and trolling on everybody else, and trying to get them banned for it.