User talk:The General/Archive2

Thievery
Why don't you just copy the entire wiki? 18:43, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
 * What do you mean?-- 18:47, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I was just about to post something exactly along the same lines as Cyberbob, see below =P - 18:49, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I'm starting to wonder if the ban on Cyberbob should've stuck. -- ♫♪ They say thatMo is one bad mother- shut your mouth! ♫♪ 20:00, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Maybe, but I don't see Cyberbob being the one to visit us often, mainly because there isn't anyone that he likes or that likes him over here, or at least I don't think so anyway. I don't think it's an issue unless he becomes a more frequent visitor and only flames/trolls. - 20:09, 7 October 2006 (PDT)

About that UD policy...
"Could you please explain to me why someone who has given tools for vandalisation to 3 Page (the biggest vandal this wiki has ever known) should be allowed to influence policy?" - Xoid. Taken from here. In short because Xoid obviously doesn't want me to influence policy I reckon you should take this down just to make him happy and continually vote against it if people bring it back up. Just vote having that quote and saying "Why should we let a known vandal influence policy as Xoid said? It was taken from the scrollwars wiki where Jedaz created it". =P Oh and I was wondering if you could be nice and change my signiture on the UD wiki to -  18:49, 7 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Thanks for changing it. - 18:59, 7 October 2006 (PDT)

Thanks
Thankyou for checking my spelling, I know it can be atrocious some times so thanks. - 16:36, 10 October 2006 (PDT)

Same here, general.

WTF, man
Why did you demote me from moderator. I didn't do anything wrong! I have only been helping the wiki. --  LordTunnel  of the UPkers  Mod 09:42, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
 * You've been 'very inactive recently.-- 11:09, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I'm going to have to say something about this. I really don't see any problem with their being inactive mods, I mean I actually mod an emulator server for a game, I am not very active there, but there is no problems because I don't abuse my powers.  Unless you think that he is going to abuse his powers I don't see much point in the demotion.  The Devil 12:10, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I have my reasons, but i don't want to say them in public. I'll tell you on msn next time i see you.-- 12:12, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Can you please re-promote me or at least tell me the real reason you demoted me. --  LordTunnel  of the UPkers  Mod 12:33, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Wa wa wa? Tunnel was a mod?  The same tunnel that vandalized the wiki?  The same tunnel that created another account to vandalize (was this proven, or just reallllly suspected givin the circumstances?).  Still...  Warped 22:24, 20 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I swear to God and on the Holy Bible that I have never made an alternate Wiki account to vandalize. The General: why did you demote me, I was fairly active and have done nothing wrong! --  LordTunnel  of the UPkers  Mod 13:51, 22 October 2006 (PDT)


 * Then i guess it was your brother? Either way i belive you had a large hand in it since this all happened after you where caught vandalizing, and then the "new" vandal attacked like what you had earlier.  I also remember you saying once (a fovrite quote of mine) "I dont have to vandalize this time, this time im right" (or something along those lines, it was on the HaVoC talk page).  Im surprised you where even given the chance to be a mod with that, and with the fact that you would use your brothers charactor in game.  But hey, i dont run the wiki.Warped 12:03, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * No, you are wrong warped. LT deserved to have 2 warnings only, what he recieved was 2 warnings and a ban.  I know this because the "new" vandal attack was by me.  I have said this time and time again.  The first 2 warnings were correct while the ban was not (framed by me, tried to get reversed later).  That is a fact that I know.  The Devil 12:35, 23 October 2006 (PDT)


 * I still don't like the idea of someone that maliciously vandaled given any MOD status when I don't believe there is a shortage of people to fill the spot.Warped 15:06, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * The real question is why do you care. -- LordTunnel  of the UPkers  15:25, 24 October 2006 (PDT)


 * Uh, because i dont want the game and wiki to all go to hell in a hand bag because sub-par people are given any status above normal players. Look at the UD wiki and tell me they really spent a lot of time hand picking some of those people @@.  I rather there be a shortage of MODS for the time being then anyone short of the perfect candidate being picked; and seeing as there isnt even a shortage now....Warped 16:28, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

promotions
I've already got enough vouches on my promotions page, and the voting has gone on for the time period. Can I get promoted yet? -- 08:59, 22 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I'll ocnsider it.-- 13:02, 22 October 2006 (PDT)

Signature
Rather than cloging up Mo's talk page with this I decided to bring it here. If you'ld like I can make one for you. Just put down the namespace area and what links you want to show up and I'll fix it up right away for you. If you want I can have it different for each day of the week =) - 02:42, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Oh well, just to make it faster we'll do it like this. I'll basicaly walk you through how to make a signature which changes based off the namespace. First you start off with a switch statement selecting the name space. More or less this sets up a long series of IF statements.


 * So the code for you links may end up looking like this...


 * Be careful as the compaisons on name spaces are case sensitive. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. - 03:29, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Cool thanks. Couple of questions: 1) The suggestions page isn't in the suggestions namespace, how come it still works? 2) I've notice a "time" variable is possible, could this be used to display a message at a certain time?-- 04:59, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * No worries.
 * 1) The reason that it still works is that it uses the #default value for any namespace which it couldn't find. As of such it will vary to what you have assigned for the suggestions name space.
 * 2) Yes, you can use a time variable. For example you can use  instead of the Namespace parameter and place the numbers there to represent the day of the week. There is a time parser function, however for some reason it doesn't work (which I'll see what Mo can do about it), which can get it down to hours, minutes or even seconds. But as of such for now we have to use the inbuilt Meda-wiki functions.
 * I hope that answers your questions. - 05:13, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I just realized that you can get it down to the hour using -  05:16, 23 October 2006 (PDT) Ignore that... -  05:19, 23 October 2006 (PDT)


 * Ok. So the suggestions variable isn't actually being used at the moment?-- 05:20, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Thats right because you arn't using it in the suggestions name space. When you use your signature in the suggestions name space then it'll be used correctly. Once this new suggestions system is implemented then you'll see the difference. - 05:28, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
 * You are a quick learner. However you don't want the # in-front of the word Suggestions, this is because the # is indicating a system value of the Parser functions and as of such when you are comparing the other values you want them on their own. However I think you have a reasonable grip on things =) - 05:32, 23 October 2006 (PDT)


 * Hehe, I see. 	I've finally got it right. I tend to pick things up by copying what other people do and trial and error, documentation tends to be pretty useless as it assumes I already know what i'm reading how to do it!-- 05:42, 23 October 2006 (PDT)

"New member"
I'm actually the man behind Korso and Emanresu Ekaf. I sign on with this username, but sign my posts with whichever alt's name is appropriate. You won't hear much from me in particular, but if you need to speak with me just post in my discussion page.--Lberceli 15:51, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Oh, whoops
He he, it looks like I did the unblock link wrong, lol. Oh well, you get that. No harm done. =P Thanks anyway. - 02:21, 29 October 2006 (PST)

Thanks
I didn't even think about deleting the redirects, thanks for doing that =)

He he, on a different topic place your birthday into this and see what happens! (It's for a bit of a laugh) - 00:53, 2 November 2006 (PST)

lmao.-- 00:57, 2 November 2006 (PST)

Sig Worries
Well I've been trying to get a sig working for me like it does on the UD wiki but for the life of me I can't seem to get it working. I have created it in the same way and I'm adding User:Pillsy/Sig as my nickname but it still wont work.....help please! Pillsy 08:27, 2 November 2006 (PST)
 * Hmm, not much I can do, as I don't have account access. Just put in the box, and check the "Raw signatures" box.-- 09:52, 2 November 2006 (PST)
 * That's all I needed, knew I would be missing something. 01:26, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Msg from Zod
I'm only using Zod Rhombus for non-SW stuff. For all SW-related things I'm using Faithless.--Zod Rhombus 21:24, 11 November 2006 (PST)
 * Please reinstate my CDF page edit. I thought it was NPOV. I am just trying to distinguish the separation of the groups since there is a fair amount of crossover from UD. Thanks. --Zod Rhombus 21:32, 11 November 2006 (PST)
 * It would be appreciated, then, if you did not "correct" my spelling to American versions.-- 10:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)
 * Thank you. My apologies for the spelling correction, I was not thinking of British connotations, I simply saw the absence of an 'e'. It was not intended to Americanize it. My mistake --Zod Rhombus 15:49, 16 November 2006 (PST)

UD hatery
I've just seen this. Dunno if it's true or not but whatever happens you'll always be welcomed here. However it's good to see that there are people like Gage on the team to keep people like Cyberbob in check. - 21:44, 17 November 2006 (PST)

The power grab continues... though it looks as if Gage isn't in on this one. It'll be interesting to see what 202,000 has to say on the subject of divulging information. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 22:45, 17 November 2006 (PST)
 * Power grab? It would be a power grab if he had faked those emails and and started making facts up for his agenda.  The Devil 23:33, 17 November 2006 (PST)
 * Ok then, well I have a question. What are you getting out of this? If it's true or not you have to be getting something out of this. If you are lying then I imagine that you are just trying to weaken the moderation team. If you are telling the truth then I wonder why you have decided to do it now. - 23:40, 17 November 2006 (PST)
 * The Devil asked outright to be let back on the UD Wiki. I suspect he's trying to get back on by throwing The General under the bus. I don't know if it's true or not - but there's no reason to disbelieve General on this, and every reason to disbelieve Devil. I'm sorry, The Devil - But you have to admit that to the average viewer (like myself) you have everything to GAIN by trying to get on their good side, whereas General had NOTHING to gain by doing any sort of vandalism. You know who did gain from it? Gage got into Modship by reverting a lot of vandalism, and by implying he could stop some vandalism by being a nice guy to vandals. Of course this never happened... but as I say - The Devil, Gage, any number of folks benefit from a lot of this. The General however has no payoff to doing any such thing. It's a matter of logic, I think. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 11:02, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * I feel a bit ofended by your doubt in my skills with proxies and bypassing bans Mo. I already have 3 good proxy accounts on UD (which aren't noticed as proxies) from which I can come back whenever I want from.  I really started this whole thing just because I thought UD needed a bit more drama released to the public (albiet I can't prove anything anymore).  And the General really is lucky though, lucky that choose to let this whole thing start after he had enough warning to remove my admin status on that boards, if I had wanted it I could have giving him no chance of survival, but really I think its more fun this way.  And thats what I am all about.  The Devil 11:34, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * Which I didn't, making this not a power grab. 00:28, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * You have no proof, an easily faked email and the word of a known vandal isn't enough to demote someone.-- 10:03, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * All I'm saying is that it's odd for Jedaz, Conndraka, and now The General to be roasted and eaten by a handful of Moderators over there. It looks like you're reducing the ranks to a set group that's on the same page. I know you dislike Gage and vice versa, but not every soldier has to love the guy next to him to fight a battle side by side. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 11:04, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * How did I just know that this would happen? Anyone betting on who's the next target? -- 11:55, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * If anyone's willing to start a pool, I'm putting money on Cyberbob being taken to task next and possibly ousted. You know, just for the sake of irony. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 15:19, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * I doubt it. He's one of the 'Big Four'. Although I would pay dearly to see that happen. Especially if he also got banned from the Nexus Wiki. -- 16:39, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * I really wish my PC could 'find' the UD Wiki page. being unable to even see whats going on is frustrating. -- 16:48, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * Big four? In my view there is only a big three, Xoid, Cyberbob and Bob Hammero. Who's the fourth person? Or are you counting Kevan as one of them? - 23:39, 18 November 2006 (PST)
 * Er, Bob hasn't been on for about a month. Thought I'd let you know. 00:20, 19 November 2006 (PST)
 * Ok then, well when I was active he was in that group. But thanks for letting me know. - 00:43, 19 November 2006 (PST)
 * I would say you have Xoid (aka 202,000) Cyberbob (aka Bob3) and Gage (aka Bob4). Hammero would be on there if not for his inactivity. Gage is in there because he's basically under Xoid's wing. I'm sure he'd debate that, but it's true. He became a Mod promising to usher in a new era of civility and instead has become a second Xoid or Cyberbob, so he can be included in the inner circle. I would call them the big three - or the Unholy Trinity - because the rest are mostly on the outskirts of the actual inner workings of Modship control. Their friend Thari may become another power player eventually, we'll see. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 10:33, 19 November 2006 (PST)
 * My thoughts exactly, like, to a creepy level. Gage, Xoid, Cyber, and Hammero. Hammero's been rather inactive recently, but during his reign of beaurocracy-to-the-extreme, he could find some rule or old case to make everything go his way. Xoid basically does the whole mafia/hitman/framing thing, where he sets up people and then takes them out. Gage just pulls out a sledgehammer on anybody who disagrees with him, including other moderators, and has Xoid connections for back-up. Finally, we come to Cyberbob. His flaming, dueling, trolling, baiting, and overal OmG YOU Scuk yoU NOOB BURn IN HelL! style attitude are childish, but somehow has an infamous amount of (grudging) respect, even I have to respect him for being that, well, how do I put it... tyrannical flamer, I guess, that he is. -- 18:15, 21 November 2006 (PST)
 * Really, when did this become all about cyberbob? Hes not making anything up, just using my story/evidence (whatever you want to call it).  So shouldn't you be calling me a liar and not cyber?  I was a bit suprised though how readily he believed me.  The Devil 19:22, 21 November 2006 (PST)
 * And out of fucking nowhere comes Zod! Bob4 is just wanting approval and is willing to do anything to get it - hence his mondo-aggressive edits. He is a puppet of Xoid's whim, unfortunately. I've had many conversations with him and he has good intentions sometimes, but somehow they get twisted in the politics. Bob3 is the worst mod in the history of mods since the creation of the internet. He is a troll, flame-baits constantly and never sees two sides to any issue, no matter how small. He is the ultimate "I'm right and you're wrong, so shut the fuck up, moron" type person. Hammero, for all intents and purposes, is the most modlike and level headed of them, and it pains me to say that, since we have had numerous run-ins. His type of level-headedness does not fit in with the current regime, hence no Hammero presence. Xoid has his master plan he's working on, behind the scenes. He has Bob4 to carry out the day-to-day.


 * It's amazing (no pun intended) to see the systematic fall and frequency of those who are publically falling out of favor and stripped of everything over there. Anyone who sniffs over here is in trouble of losing all on the UD wiki. Funny how playing Jorm's game doesn't give you a scarlet letter like this one does. Fucking pricks.


 * And believe me, I have no love for The General either. Sorry. But it is a clear political shift over there. What evidence they can't find, they just make up. I'm glad I have removed most of myself off of the wiki and taken about a dozen with me. I do this while still being active in the game. The UD wiki IS a game just like UD, where ppl show up for battle. What a bunch of useless crap brought to something that was supposed to be useful. Say what you want about Amazing, there wasn't even half the drama a year ago, when Amazing was active over there. Drama is just seeping out of the pores of the UD wiki now, perpetuated by the mods and their actions.


 * Actually, as much as Amazing spoke out, nothing got really bad until a select few ganged up on him. Do you know what we call those who used the same and sometimes worse tactics? Moderators. That should tell you something about the climate over there.--Zod Rhombus 17:34, 19 November 2006 (PST)
 * Actually, the term which is supposed to be used on the UD wiki is "sysop", but I guess Odd Starter's influence and the familiarity most people have with the word "moderator" led to that being used most commonly. (Note that I don't bother reacting to your rant. That should tell you something.) 04:44, 20 November 2006 (PST)
 * Sysops are defined as being the operator of a Bulletin Board. Referring of course to the legal definition. Since Wikis aren't Bulletin Boards, I'm not sure why it uses the term. It's pretty much a name only, its duties and responsibilities defined by the "sysops" or the site owner. That said, Sysops as such are often quite similar to what the internettin' community would classically call a Moderator. -- Mo Mo(d) on pot 10:19, 20 November 2006 (PST)
 * I think the UD wiki just took its naming from Wikipedia - they use sysops, I believe. 14:40, 20 November 2006 (PST)
 * I think Cyberbob is just looking for a loophole to explain away what a dick he is, incapable of showing the slightest moderation and preventing drama - drama that is usually directly related to his responses. But I shouldn't expect too much - - he is 16 after all. --Zod Rhombus 09:53, 21 November 2006 (PST)
 * Actually, Zod, I was just trying to set some factual things straight. But you can read into it however you wish. 17:59, 21 November 2006 (PST)
 * Zod, that was awesome! How did you come up with that?-- 18:22, 21 November 2006 (PST)